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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 04:37:00 -
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As a member of the belligerently undesirable group that the OP is complaining about, if a bunch of miners can actually team up to provide some meaningful content, instead of hammering away at chunks of ice all day, then more power to them.
That would mean that some of the aims of the New Order have been accomplished, we will have forced you to be aware that Eve is a social game where both actions and inactions have consequences. Currently some Ice miners are guilty of inaction, the consequences are that they get bumped, the inaction in this case is twofold, one is failure to purchase a permit, the other is a failure to actually play the game instead of plugging away at inexhaustible resources.
The responses to petitions should tell the petitioners one thing, under the current rules what the New Order are doing is completely within the terms of the EULA, the GMs are going to do nothing about miner bumping because we're not breaking any rules or exploiting bugs in the game, collision mechanics are working as intended.
If you want us to stop doing it you have a couple of choices, one is to pay the paltry amount of 10 million to James315 for an annual permit, the other is to actually get of your lazy collective arse and actually do something about it that doesn't involve crying like small children on the forums, abusing New Order agents in local (this makes us lol) or petitioning a valid game mechanic.
If they can actually carry through on what the OP is suggesting then congratulations, welcome to the wonderful world of content creation, if they can't carry through on it because they couldn't organise a drunken outing in a brewery then they deserve everything that is currently happening to them, and more. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 04:40:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.
Carry on though if that's your bag.
How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 05:12:00 -
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Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:What gives you the right to think you can force upon your own dumbass "idea" of how this great game of Eve should be played? Mining is a very viable career choice for many players. If that's how THEY want to play, who are you to say they aren't "actually playing the game"? Your one-sided, flawed logic is almost laughable. Except I feel sorry for you 
You're right, mining is a viable career choice and many a noob starts off by chewing rocks. However your argument could as equally be applied to suicide gankers, hisec PvP corps and all the other facets of Eve that require people to actually organise themselves, what right do they have to force the way they play the game onto others?, simple it's a sandbox everybody has the ability to affect other players, I choose to do it by annoying miners.
NB I am a miner, amongst other things, I see bumping other miners as a completely valid technique to make my mining efforts more productive and valuable. I can't be arsed to 0.1isk my competition as it's boring, removing their ability to put as much of their product on the market via bumping is far more satisfying and entertaining. I even use my mining alt to do my bumping.
If there was another way to increase my market share I would use it, I would love to see proper full scale advertising and branding as a player tool, unfortunately that's not going to happen anytime soon so I use the tools and mechanics available to me to achieve my aims. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 08:53:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:There is a very easy way to beat James315. Move to another system.
How can people be so dumb and get so frustrated when the answer is so simple?
:effort: :entitlement: :AFK:
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 11:31:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Riot Girl wrote:There's also tear mass tanking, where you weigh your ship down with so much QQ that you can't be bumped. Tsk tsk tsk, when all you need is bump the bumper...and it's the easiest thing to do to get their tears in local 
Confirming that bumpers cry when you bump them 
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 12:41:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Pan Miller wrote:
Bumping miners is not against the rules. If you keep your mining ship moving while you mine (by orbiting your target for example) then the bumper will probably miss you."
This is complete B&%% S&*#!
How dare they force you to push an orbit button! I had to hit like 4 buttons last night and only wanted to hit 3 please hotfix CCP!
Obviously Pan Miller has never been to a farm, this is bull droppings , Pan please note the lovely rich colour and the slurry like consistency, use this image as a reference next time you identify something as the faecal matter produced by a cow of either sex.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 13:32:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Your right, you do need to do something about it.
Filing petitions though is not the answer, because they're not breaking the EULA.
When the bounty system hits, you need to get people to put bounties on them, hire bounty hunter and merc corps. They'll get their just deserts, but you need to do it in game. No one is going to do it for you, unless you give them an incentive.
In game crimes require in game consequences. Stop whining and start gathering an army. Get to work.
This man offers sound advice, even as a "belligerent undesirable" I appreciate his post although it remains to be seen if anyone will take it because horror of horrors it may involve parting with some of that hoarded ISK and hurt the holy ISK/hr balance.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 17:27:00 -
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@ Max Doobie, either you're an alt or you genuinely are new here.
The personas that people use in game are not necessarily reflective of their true persona, many call gankers and PvPers sociopaths and egomaniacs, many of these gankers are professionals in real life, there are soldiers, policemen and women, doctors, lawyers, politicians and even CEO's of global companies who are gankers/PvP players, if they were truly sociopaths would they hold those positions in life?
There are 3 letters in MMORPG that are important here, RP & G standing for roleplaying game, Eve presents the chance to project any persona you want, some choose to be complete asshats in complete contrast to their real life personalities, alternatively some project their real personalities into their game personas.
If you read through some of the sub forums, especially new citizens q&a you will find some of the people you have labeled as rude, obnoxious and irritating go out of their way to help new players find their feet in Eve. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 17:38:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:
It's like I said earlier, these bumper people all tend to have similar personalities; rude, obnoxious, immature, "rapish" type of folks who enjoy irritating the **** out of people (check out that Solstice Project guy for example. That guys posts prove him to be a Grade-A, V-Card holding sociopath).
Have you ever conversed with Solstice? I have, he's by no means a sociopath, he just plays the game the way he wants to.
Did you never dream of being a pirate as a kid? Eve can fulfil that dream, you just have to have the balls to step up and grab that dream. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 19:01:00 -
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Now if Max Doobie was a behavioural scientist not an attorney then I'd be prepared to look further into what they're saying.
However going by their own claim that a persons social actions reflect their true self, I could suggest that he or she is highly opinionated, especially about subjects beyond their professional remit, self important, argumentative and may require the consumption of an illicit substance to feel good about themselves.
How did I do? Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 21:34:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:So why do members of the new order hide in npc corps? On the whole, they don't. I'm a part time bumper, my bumping alt was in an NPC corp, I assumed that this question would come up so I pre-emptively created a corp for him.
Quote:Should not they wear their conviction on their chest and fly high the colors of progress? We do wear our conviction proudly, as we travel through various systems we announce our presence and intents loudly and proudly.
Quote:Their tactics of bumping paint themselves clearly as washed up fighters to timid to even suicide gank a miner.If they were so progressive and forward thinking, they should cleanse New Eden with Artillery and blaster.With a smile on their face and the support and cheering of all Nope, we are perfectly willing and able to cleanse the belts with blasterfire, however we reserve that action for special circumstances involving particularly belligerent and undesirable dissenters. We prefer a message of peace and enlightenment, in your case however I for one would be willing to just gank you and be done with it. We also smile and giggle like little schoolgirls when we do inflict a righteous gank upon a deserving miner.
Quote:They run, they cower in npc corps, they refuse to settle as men or even as a woman. Once again just to beat the point home, see my reply to your first point, also your wording seems to indicate that you believe women are not as capable as men, I do believe that one of the GSF FC's is both a woman and extremely competent at it.
Quote:They scurry as vermin, nipping at ankles, and spreading rot and decay. Sounds like miners to me. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.28 21:45:00 -
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TheTrue Acolyte wrote:Riot Girl wrote: How do we know you're not just a James315 alt trying to raise even more money from miners to use against them?
Mysterious and many are the workings of the Saviour of HiSec, for his spirit is everywhere, save in hearts that are impure...those that like it not should surely gnash their teeth, rend their garments and stay at the keyboard whilst playing the game. The Saviour of HiSec is filled with love and mercy, whether you show thanks for his efforts or not. Also, the New Order has none of a "rapish" aspect, for thou art surely asking for it.
I lolled, if it is sarcasm, it's still funny as hell.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 10:51:00 -
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shadowhearth Eto wrote:
Moaning antyminers - There is a reason why you dont do mining, BECAUSE IT IS ******* BORING!!! Its not as AFK as people make it. You still need swap rocks and move, its not like you warp in, set 2 asteroids to mine, then come back after x minutes to haul it back, then rinse and repeat. We have to do this stupid boring ****, because people will always need materials to build those ships, that you lose in hundreds while having fun in PVP. Mining brings profit, but my **** it is BORING!!!
Now try ice mining where you warp into a belt, target an icicle, hit the f keys and leave, some time later , I believe about 45-60 minutes your cargo is just about full so you come back and dock your ship,rinse and repeat. Ice is an infinite resource, it never goes pop, you can mine the same bit all year long without ever needing to do anything other that the above steps.
People who mine rocks are not the concern at the moment, it's the people who mine ice. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:45:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
you dont mine do you? Or have never been bumped while mining. If so you would not have made this staement.
He may not mine, he may never have been bumped. I, on the other hand, do mine and have been bumped, I still mine (roids not ice) and spend some of my time helping to remove fellow miners from the ice belts via bumping, because it appeals to my twisted sense of humour.
Next irrelevant argument please? Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:47:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Casirio wrote:Love the emergent gameplay  did you guys really hire mercs? If they did, we certainly haven't seen them yet.
I'm waiting for mercs to take their money and then show up in the belts to bump them for being whiney little kids  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:26:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Just an idea, maybe the miners can come together and drive the ore prices up until either the community turns on them, the bumpers stop or Alliances wipe them out (bumpers).
Seems like a nice CCP free way to "Sandbox-A-Solution" in my book. Would be completely fair and legit.
Not going to happen, miners on the whole couldn't organise a drinking party in a brewery, expecting them to set up a cartel is laughable.
Besides, there is an overabundance of minerals available, the supply far exceeds the demand, if the miners could actually organise something other than mass crying then they would have the power to drive competition and prices by controlling the supply, mineral values going up would be welcomed by many. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:47:00 -
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Actually I believe that James posts and plays on his main, look into his corp history for evidence of this.
I f he stood for the CSM it would certainly be interesting to see peoples reactions Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Because all the hundreds (thousands?) of miners in game are represented by the 1/2 dozen who post in GD (the most radical anti-bumpers probably being James or his sycophants)? Yeah...  I also go off the fact that hundreds nay throusands died to us because they didnt fit any tank. They still don't fit a tank. All they did was whine on the forums till CCP fitted a tank for them. Miners have never adapted to any threat in the 7 or 8 years that barges have been in the game.
They did evolve in one way, their tear ducts are now attached to their fingers  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 17:32:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Riot Girl wrote:That sounds like quite a serious personality disorder. It's good you're making an effort to help those who can't help themselves. It most certainly is serious, and we do our utmost to help these poor individuals. Thank you for your support. Asuri Kinnes wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:[I'm afraid that you have woefully misunderstood the purpose of the New Order of Hisec Which has been manufactured entirely to get J315 (an alt of whoever) elected to the CSM...  Actually the New Order was set up by a little-known TEST faction with the intent of eventually garnering enough support to elect [/i]me[/i] Chairman of the next CSM, so that I can persuade CCP to finally introduce a ship dedicated to fans of My Little Pony. At the moment, we're considering that the ship bonus should be +5% friendship to all ships on grid, but we think CCP might say that's a little bit overpowered. So we'll maybe have to rethink that. Yeah.
The Pinky Pie or the Fluttershy? 
Fire the friendship cannon.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:59:00 -
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Vanyr Andrard wrote:
Your list provides two possible motivations for CCP to buff barges:
1. They thought too many barges were being ganked in hisec.
2. They thought too many miners were complaining about being ganked.
Too many barges getting ganked and too many miners complaining about getting ganked can be attributed to one thing, failure to fit their ships properly. With the old stats a tanked exhumer could survive a suicide gank, most miners neglected to fit a tank, so they got ganked.
Cause and effect in action. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:09:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Shouldn't he be stepped on for encouraging naziism?
Please explain how the New Order is similar to National Socialism? It's not a good comparison, the New Order is not promoting genocide.
BTW you're not the first to compare James315 to the leader of the national socialists, however if you wish to compare him to a genocidal maniac then please use the more recent examples that made the man with the amusing mustache look like a rank amateur, Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin would be good examples.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:23:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:So what? Why stop the ganking? There's nothing that cannot be ganked. Too expensive....? Here and I thought you boys were committed 
The ganking hasn't stopped, GSF were running another ice interdiction operation until about a week ago, most of the silly buggers still don't fit a tank, it just requires more organisation to carry it off. The next hulkageddon is going to be interesting as the gankers will just field more ships to deal with the buffed barges.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Maybe they need CCP to do it for them as well.
WTB CCP branded toilet paper, also a CCP dev to use it in the appropriate manner for me. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:54:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:Shouldn't he be stepped on for encouraging naziism? Please explain how the New Order is similar to National Socialism? It's not a good comparison, the New Order is not promoting genocide. BTW you're not the first to compare James315 to the leader of the national socialists, however if you wish to compare him to a genocidal maniac then please use the more recent examples that made the man with the amusing mustache look like a rank amateur, Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin would be good examples. Wouldn't i, as Austrian, fit much better anyway ?
No sir, death is a nought but a temporary setback here, also you lack an amusing mustache. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 05:22:00 -
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Count of MonteCylon wrote:I'm a fairly new player and I can't even tell what is going on in this thread. Miners used to get killed, now they complain about getting bumped? Is this trolling? Instead of suicide ganking, now there's suicide jamming and people are mad about that? An anti-bumping module? You guys are crazy 
Miners gonna whine.
They whined when they got ganked because they fitted no tank, CCP buffed mining ships and gave them tougher ships Now they're whining that people have the gall to intrude upon their harvesting resources with bumping, in a game that revolves around control of resources and space. When they whine enough to make hisec the equivalent of a nursery school they'll whine that the game is boring and that there is nobody to buy their product.
I myself mine and I'm so disgusted by the attitudes that some of my competitors display that I've joined in with the bumping.
Tears are far more fun than rocks and ice.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 05:46:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:
STFU dude. You're not doing this for control of resources, you're doing it because you want to be an obnoxious f**knut. You don't gain a damn thing from bumping aside from a fee you charge. Quit acting like you and that taint-licking leader of yours are doing this out of some BS sense of fairness and balance in "fighting AFKers". You're opportunists. Nothing wrong with that, but just admit it. You love AFK miners because without them your sorry ass would actually have to engage targets that would fight back.
You really do have a stick up your posterior, have you been bumped? I'm not doing it to be an obnoxious arse, I'm not doing it for the permit fee either, I have not seen a single penny of ISK from miners, in fact so far I'm in for an overall loss of just under 70 million isk on my bumping including ship loss.
I'm doing it because I can and lets face it, it amuses me. I dislike afk miners because they introduce little of value to the game and they flood the market with cheap product that devalue my own mining and trading. If they mine less then my efforts are worth more, it's called economic warfare and it is all about the control of resources. I am merely using the tools at my disposal to strengthen my economic operations.
BTW I'm totally capable of taking on targets that fight back even though I suck harder than a blackhole at PvP, I've lived outside of hisec where people are free to engage you without interference, I've lost ships and I've exploded other peoples, so in this particular case your argument is moot. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 05:55:00 -
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AFK ratting is just about to get a kick in the teeth from CCP, the new NPC AI will make it much more difficult to AFK rat in something like the Contested Skeleton Comet where rats just spawn 23/7. AFK ratting is normally done by droneboats like the Dominix, the new AI will switch targets now and if you're not at your keyboard then drones will die in short order.
We don't need to do anything about it, CCP have accepted that it's a problem and are taking steps to fix it.
Also PvE ships die really really quickly when you engage them in a PvP ship, they are of little threat to somebody who is out hunting them. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 05:59:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:I'm not an AFK miner. I don't mine period. I simply have very little patience for people who don't mind their own fuckin business. This extends to RL as well. People who can't just live their lives and leave other people the f**k alone irritate the s**t out of me. I believe in just "doing me". DO WTF you want as long as it doesn't affect me/ You do YOU, I'll do ME.
Take your own advice, you have little patience for people who don't mind their own business, yet you see fit to interfere in others business, you're not a miner so why don't you just leave well alone and get on with what you do.
TL;DR you are a hypocritical busybody now STFU and GTFO. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2083
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Posted - 2012.10.30 06:07:00 -
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wow, that poster really does have a potty mouth, they need to wash out their mouths with bleach or hydrochloric acid.
Good riddance to bad posters who can't hold a civilised debate without resorting to profanity, they're a self proclaimed attorney, as a servant of the law they should be ashamed of themselves, even more so because they were among the posters saying that what people do and say on the internet reflects upon their true nature. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 06:13:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:wow, that poster really does have a potty mouth, they need to wash out their mouths with bleach or hydrochloric acid.
Good riddance to bad posters who can't hold a civilised debate without resorting to profanity, they're a self proclaimed attorney, as a servant of the law they should be ashamed of themselves, even more so because they were among the posters saying that what people do and say on the internet reflects upon their true nature. Seems to be a highsec miner thing. They prove to be uncivilised whilst claiming to be civilised.
Yet they think that we're the asshats? go figure
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 10:31:00 -
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Ta for the cleanup, some posters were getting a little overexcited, myself included .
What some people fail to realise is that the forums, and some external Eve related sites, are very much part of the metagame, some of those people are new to the game, some are not, either way, it does need to be said that in Eve the metagame is very much part of the game itself. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 16:28:00 -
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There are effective counters to bumping, simply orbiting in a mackinaw or retriever is not one of them, if however you are orbiting in an AB skiff you are extremely hard to bump, won't stop us trying but 90% of the time we fail.
Those miners who fail to adapt are destined to be bumped, those who do adapt will not be bumped as often because we go for the low hanging can't be arsed miners first.
The argument that miners are the ones who produce the minerals for industry while a valid one is also a pointless one, there are many more pilots that can fly mining vessels than pilots who actually do. If the "I wanna mine all day and not be bumped" miners all quit mining it would indeed cause a price rise and shortage in ships and modules, then we would see some of the pilots who can fly mining ships, but don't because it's a poor return on time, come out of the woodwork and start mining again because it is economically viable to do so and it is in their interests to do so to produce ships.
Some of the miners that have purchased mining permits merely see it as a business cost not extortion, they have done the math and figure a 10 million isk permit is a worthwhile investment to be allowed to mine in peace and have a greater market share than those who don't have a permit. We like these guys, they accept that people can interrupt their game play and have taken steps to minimize interference, in short they have adapted and are in a better position than those who have not. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 16:44:00 -
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Anslo wrote: Do you have evidence for this? Why would they give up their original income source for mining? Why would mining suddenly be more profitable than say L4's or L5's, market games or pure industry? You need to come up with some facts before stating these assumptions.
Evidence is thus, without miners there is no industry, without industry we are left with current stockpiles and noob ships, ergo people who can mine will mine even if it is only to produce ships for their own use. Many players have alt accounts that are currently unsubbed (probably due to the incarna debacle), it is by no means impossible to multibox a l4 mission runner and a miner, an industrialist and a miner or a trader and a miner, so there would be no need to give up any income source if you desired to do your own production and mining. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 17:11:00 -
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Yuri Wayfare wrote: Action: Whine to CCP and ask for a special mod to help you. Cost: Getting laughed at by all the rest of EVE, developer time that could be spent fixing real problems, introducing a hilariously exploitable new mod to EVE, the New Order declaring a shift of focus to blockading Jita 4-4 with a wall of anchored mining barges and demanding a 10mil ISK fee from any freighter pilot wishing to pass through.
Nothing comes for free.
You are a deviant mastermind, do you have a white cat and a volcano lair?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 17:27:00 -
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ugh at 100% safe, I currently live in hisec, the day that it becomes 100% safe is the day I ship all my worldly goods into the nearest lo/null system and go out in a blaze of glory before I either unsub or become a full time really bad PvP pilot. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.30 20:27:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote: Dotlan lists almost 13 ice belts in the Forge alone; that's not counting ice belts in all the neighbouring regions of Jita. Surely if the New Order is bothering you that much, you can mine elsewhere and either buy a freighter to haul your load to Jita, or purchase Red Frog Transport, yes?
That would require both effort and the spending of ISK, both of which are anathema to some players. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.10.31 22:34:00 -
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I <3 to hate the goons, you're like the challenged child at the back of the class who makes everyone laugh  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.11.01 01:16:00 -
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Natasha Liao wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I <3 to hate the goons, they're like the challenged child at the back of the class who makes everyone laugh  Please to be remembering: some of us are laughing WITH the Goons, not AT. What's not to love? 
I keep forgetting that this forum has no autosarcasm function, the post was entirely tongue in cheek.
Every good story/game needs a bad guy, in Eve that bad guy is the GSF and they, as an organisation, fulfil that role with gusto and enthusiasm, if a little self-depreciation. They can't be as bad at Eve as they say they are, either that or everybody else is even worse at it than they are.
The longer I play the more I find myself agreeing with them, and wishing that I was having even 1/8 of the fun they are being the bad guys. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.11.01 01:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Generally speaking, it's considered to be the case that the latter case is true. Because sheesh, jumping your titan instead of bridging and warping from the VFK beacon to the station unscouted with hostiles in local, or being killed by Zed Mike or getting hotdropped in an anomaly by 5 Nyxes can hardly be considered "capable at EVE".
lol so GSF are really bad at Eve, yet they're still one of the most influential bodies in the game, sounds like politics to me  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.11.01 05:11:00 -
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hah the Malconis article, it's a really good read and an interesting insight into the GSF, now we need someone to do one on TEST because like it or not they are currently the biggest single corp in game. Although as a single coherent and stable entity I believe RvB comes pretty damn close.
Mittens.com needs more articles of this calibre, I'm not saying that the articles aren't good, on the whole they are, but more articles from respected bloggers and posters would be good. Guest articles from the likes of Akita_T (CCP Y U NO QEN NO MORE?) & Mangala Solaris (ganknights are always amusing as GSF & TEST well know) etc would certainly garner attention from the likes of myself. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.01.06 03:58:00 -
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Captain Death1 wrote:10 year old game who cares what gos on in game get over it miner bumping lol high sec has won the war the miner bumping is just bitter losers from null on there alts
all you have to do is keep high sec 71% players no one will care about that
WTS punctuation marks and lessons in grammar.
The hisec population may well cover 70% of all players, but a sizeable portion of that 70% is actually hisec alts of people in nullsec.
As for the bumping, people are having fun with it and fun is why people play games.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
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